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  • in reply to: March discussion board post: JOSPT #3687
    Nick Law
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    I am just thinking out loud here (so to speak), but we have talked/read a decent bit lately on external cuing vs. internal cuing. Almost certainly all of us are cuing the excessive elevation prevention, or any and all scap motion for that matter, internally (e.g., don’t let your shoulder blade rise up too far, keep your shoulder blade tipped back, etc…) Is it even possible to provide an external cue that might be more effective?

    in reply to: March discussion board post: JOSPT #3686
    Nick Law
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    I realize that somehow part of my post got cut off here.

    Alex – “I wouldn’t avoid an exercise just because it increases activation of a specific muscle, as long as the movement pattern/motor control aspect doesn’t suffer.” Yes – my exact thoughts.

    Oksana – I am certainly still trying to figure out the best way to prevent excessive scap elevation. I think we are going to have a very hard time preventing that if there is GH motion loss – the brain is going to find a way to get the arm at the same level, which it will almost certainly do through scap compensation if GH ROM is insufficient. Nevertheless, in patients for whom passive GH passive and accessory seems sufficient, and yet they are still excessively elevating, another tactic would be to manually inhibit and/or stretch the scap elevators. I have seen Eric do this a couple of times on patients and incorporate movement with it – kind of a soft tissue mobilization (or inhibition) with movement technique. It seems to work well.

    in reply to: March discussion board post: JOSPT #3681
    Nick Law
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    only to a moderate degree. I hope to believe I choose exercises that promote an appropriate movement pattern and also that engage certain muscle groups based on my biomechanical knowledge of the what the muscle action is; I also want to make sure the patient feels relatively comfortable with the exercise.

    For instance, I use the wall slide semi-regularly with cuing for scap protraction and upward rotation, and in doing so for SA contraction. Yes, pec minor does perform scap protraction as well, and therefore had higher EMG performance with this exercise. However, I am not sure I would back off the use of that exercise for that reason alone.

    Again, with scaption I tend to focus on movement pattern vs. muscle activation. I think its quite alright if upper trap is active during scaption (as it is supposed to be assisting upward rotation); what I try and cue against is the excessive elevation component that is often seen. I frequently use mirror feedback for this. I feel I have had mild success with this.

    in reply to: RTC Rehab Consensus statement #3670
    Nick Law
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    Thank you for posting this Eric. This is certainly a keeper for any orthopedic PT. Similar to the consensus statement for rehab on arthroscopic capsulolabral repair.

    I feel like this article exposed many areas of ignorance on my part, and will certainly change the way I practice. A few points of interest for me:
    – I really enjoyed the references to the amount of tissue healing that occurs at given time points post-operatively. Repair strength is still only 29-50% of normal at 12 weeks.
    – Only performing ROM if you need to. “Repeated cyclic loads can have potentially detrimental effects on the suture-tendon interface.”
    – “Patients who exhibit poor compliance show a relative risk of re-tear or non-healing that is 152 times higher than that of compliant patients.” That’s a great stat to have when educating patients.

    Overall, my sense was that I am too aggressive in my rehabilitation of cuff repairs, and will certainly be more cautious moving forward.

    in reply to: March Journal Club Case #3661
    Nick Law
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    Kristin,

    I completely resonate with the over-kill nature of paperwork. I don’t think the form should be used as part of the first visit, but do think that it would be potentially valuable on a second visit basis. I also certainly don’t think it needs to be given to every single patient either, but do think it might be helpful with patients for whom you suspect may possess a poor predicted expectation.

    The main reason I like the form is that it seems to help capture the patients predicted expectation in a quantifiable, non confrontational way. I also think it is a viable measure that can be used to then have further conversation with the patient about (e.g., is there any particular reason you indicated that you don’t think your condition is likely to change?). Although I am certainly no expert in the subject, somehow I see this as being potentially a better way to broach the patients negative expectations than simply asking them straight up, “Do you think this is going to get better in the next couple weeks?”

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    in reply to: Running Medicine #3645
    Nick Law
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    For me reading the motor control article simply reinforced even stronger how I simply am almost using exclusively internally driven cues, not external. Part of the reason is that external cuing tactics and strategies are just not in my “wheelhouse,” and instead of trying to think outside the box I automatically resort back to that which I am comfortable with. In light of this, I particularly enjoyed the practical ways the authors provided on external cuing – things which I intend to practice in the clinic Monday (watch out for the cones…)

    Observational video analysis is also something I never employ unless it is during a running evaluation. This is another straight forward and easy application I intend to use more frequently with different tasks.

    in reply to: Running Medicine #3644
    Nick Law
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    I have seen the H-test referenced before – have yet to use it but am currently rehabbing a patient who had a hamstring injury in the mid portion of the semimembranosus. I intend to try and use some version of the test before clearing her for full return to sport. I think you probably could modify it and make it like the swing test – essentially performing it in standing instead of supine. However, I think the key to the test is that you absolutely have to encourage the patient to go full speed – as far and as fast as possible, to get a helpful measure. Don’t think I would rely on it alone for return to sport criterion, but could definitely be included as part of a test battery.

    The running lab, although at times a little comedic, was actually a point of learning for me. The first point was that I was amazed that music truly did cue you to running a different cadence. That was very fascinating and definitely pushes me to use it as a tool if increasing cadence is a goal.

    The second, and more substantial piece of information I learned, is that when you change cadence you necessarily change other factors, and I question whether that is always beneficial. It was very apparent that, for me at least, when cadence was increased hip motion was incrementally decreased. This goes against the concepts of increasing hip flexion in swing as the biomechanics article Eric referenced showed reduces impact peak/loading rate. This certainly might not be true for everyone, but it was certainly the case for me. My take home – there are a number of factors that we evaluate with running mechanics, not just one; and we must be sure that when we change one factor we aren’t sacrificing another beyond that which we deem acceptable.

    in reply to: March Journal Club Case #3642
    Nick Law
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    Laura – thanks so much for posting that article. Truly a very great follow up to our journal club on Tuesday – touches on a great many points that I have been thinking through for the past several weeks. I certainly recommend it to others.

    As I read the article, an idea came to mind about how to assess predicted expectation that is even task specific. The patient specific functional scale is an easy assessment to administer, simply asking the patient to rate how difficult any given task of their choice may be. In addition to asking them how difficult it is RIGHT NOW, it would be very easy to simply ask them to rate how difficult they expect the same activity to be in 4 WEEKS. Seems like it would be one way to potentially assess predicted expectation for specific tasks in a quick and easy manner. See my example of what this might look like for a patient with relatively good expectations. Thoughts?

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    in reply to: March Journal Club Case #3567
    Nick Law
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    Thanks so much for everyone’s participation! Love the discussion and trust we are the better for it.

    It seems as if I have done a poor job describing the patients symptoms. Her chief complaint is POSTERIOR SHOULDER/SCAPULAR pain that is described as burning/aching. She sometimes feels some anterior/lateral shoulder pain, as well as sometimes medial two finger numbness (the not so comfortable kind of numbness). These symptoms appear related and occur together (not separately), however to repeat the chief pain complaint is the posterior shoulder/scapular pain.

    Laura – yes, resisted shoulder motion (IR/ER/ABD) and behind the back reaching caused some VERY MILD anterior/lateral shoulder discomfort. Pain location seemed distinct from her scapular symptoms, however it appeared VERY mild, and seemed to be searching for the pain vs. truly feeling anything. No facial expressions were noted at all. My guess is she would have rated it 1/10. Impingement testing and other shoulder ROM with overpressure failed to reproduce ANY symptoms. Thus, though there may be some degree of local shoulder pathology, it seemed very low down on the list for me. I did not examine her scap mobility – wouldn’t have been a bad idea, not only for determination of potential local shoulder pathology but also generalized movement pattern throughout right upper quarter. Pain was present with bilateral downglides, started at mid range and increased somewhat at end range – that was a puzzle for me for sure. I probably misspoke when I said that I “alleviated” her symptoms – what I mean’t was that I could very reliably reproduce AND THEN TAKE AWAY the reproduction of pain. That is, I put her into quadrant/ULTT ulnar and pain comes on, I take her out of those positions and pain is “alleviated.”

    Oksana – My sense for her irritability was fairly moderate at the conclusion of both the subjective/objective exam, but to be honest I don’t think I could defend it very well. I don’t think I asked her how long it takes for her symptoms to return to baseline once they aggravated. Poor job on my part there. At any rate, I felt confident I could push somewhat vigorously to reproduce her symptoms, and at the same time didn’t want to go as hard as I could have given the fact that she was having significant degree of night time symptoms. I used the thoracic manip for several reasons. One was for the simple “pain gating” effect or “manipulation induced analgesia” that can occur. Another is that there are at least two case series in which thoracic manipulation is included as part of a comprehensive treatment approach that was shown to be helpful in treating cervical radic, and also that there is preliminary evidence from a few experts in our field (#vopmtifaculty) that thoracic manip can improve UE neurodynamics.

    Sean – I sincerely hope my surprise thrust’s on you in practice are not making you gun shy. On a more serious note – I feel as I am in the same general struggle with you on what I am telling patients I am going to do. At this point, I am still doing more of what the article did (e.g., “I am going to give you a quick push on your back.”) I see pros and cons to greater explanation of the treatment and the rationale behind it. Like everything else as well, it must be patient specific. Some patients will probably benefit from more explanation/verbal & visual description and rationale than others.

    Kristen – you did not miss it; I did not at any point during the objective exam reproduce her medial hand symptoms. Also – I didn’t ask about work day/non work day differences. However, that sounds like a GREAT idea to help determine how much sitting posture is potentially driving her recurrent symptoms. I will ask her that at the next visit for sure. As she seemed to come in to the clinic believing that her symptoms were more shoulder than cervically driven, in large part I wanted to bring her attention to the potential effect her posture is having on her condition. That is, I wanted her to start paying more attention to it. I did give her a hand out that I believe Jim Beazell was influential in developing (see attached) and tried to make some general points of advice, however I did not spend much time on it. I certainly will look to address this more at the next session.

    Aaron – I completely agree with querying patient expectations as a routine part of our subjective history. This is NOT something I currently do, and in the process of this journal club it has become more notably important to me. We will talk more about how/when we assess patient expectation and how important we find it to be in clinical practice.

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    in reply to: March Journal Club Case #3560
    Nick Law
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    Aaron – absolutely would love to try and give you a sense of her personality/what I perceived to be her expectations. She seemed to me to be a rather “ideal” patient, in that though she was relatively dialed in to her symptoms, she was very humble and non assuming and seemed to truly be on board for whatever I thought was best. She did not seem to be looking for a passive treatment, was remaining physically active, and again simply seemed on board to try whatever I thought would be the best solution to her problem. I don’t think she had any firm expectations of what we were going to do coming in. That said, I am not sure I “assess” expectations very well (if at all formally), and would love to talk about how to do that on Tuesday.

    Alex: I will try and be as accurate and concise as possible to your questions.

    – Yes, I was only able to reproduce her neck/scapular symptoms; her finger symptoms were never reproduced. Her scapular symptoms were certainly her primary complaint, and therefore I was somewhat satisfied that we had repeatedly reproduced and then alleviated this complaint.
    – Hand use aggravates chiefly scapular pain
    – I failed to include this in the objective portion (got deleted somehow in my revisions), but YES, I did do a right posterior quadrant. Along with right side bending, this immediately reproduced scapular pain. As her symptoms were already produced, I did not feel the need to add further compression. I did not add distraction in that position, and on reflection should have done so.
    – I am not certain I could exactly explain how/why the symptoms are scapular based, however this is certainly not uncommon to cervical radic. In fact, in the original article that determined our CPR for cervical radic (see attached, especially chart on p.56), having a chief complaint of pain PRIMARILY IN THE SCAPULAR REGION was a marker for cervical radic. Not exactly sure how/why, but it certainly can be the case. If anyone has a better rationale for how/why radicular symptoms (and not simply referred symptoms) end up in the scapular region, would love to hear it.
    – Seeing that cervical involvement was so very clear (SB/quadrant reproduced symptoms, IPSILATERAL side bending increased symptoms), I did not feel the need to try and isolate ulnar nerve vs. C8.
    – In came out in visit #2 that patient sleeps prone in full right rotation with elbow near full flexion. Definitely a moment of education and correction. Yes, scapular symptoms were the driver for her waking up.
    – C spine seemed so clearly involved to call it TOS. Before the objective exam I expected cervical movements to be non-implicating, which they certainly were not.
    – I failed to re-check asterisks immediately after initial treatment. Time was fairly short, and therefore initial treatment was fairly short. Still, it would have been good to have checked the ULTT following the manip. I certainly re-checked asterisks at visit #2 and will certainly discuss that visit soon.

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    in reply to: Exercise as Medicine #3535
    Nick Law
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    AJ – thanks so much for the article post. Definitely has some helpful principles and specific communication tactics to employ when trying to help someone change.

    I think that it is probable universal PT/health care provider experience that taking an authoritative approach often leads only to frustration for the clinician and maintenance of the status quo for the patient.

    The more we discuss/I reflect on the subject, the more I realize how limited the Mike Evans video probably is for the patients we are mostly thinking need the video. It certainly could be helpful as a place to start some discussion, however its power in and of itself to produce change is probably extremely limited.

    The pain science video, although certainly limited in and of itself as well, yet probably has more intrinsic value than the exercise video. Patients “know” that exercise is good and that they should be doing it. The video, while helpful, doesn’t in the end provide a new framework of thinking for the patient. An overly sensitive nervous system as the cause of someone’s pain vs. tissue damage, is certainly an entirely new framework of thought for most chronic pain patients.

    MI seems to me like pain science education – I can see it has great value, I can name it when I see it, but to implement it into practice myself is very difficult.

    in reply to: Exercise as Medicine #3521
    Nick Law
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    I LOVE this video. My parents are overweight, inactive, and on the road to some serious health consequences. I sent this to them and will see how it goes with follow up.

    Oksana – Dr. Evans has a number of such videos that you can browse through on you tube. He has one specifically on low back pain.

    Although I love these videos, due to my new exposure to them I have yet to use them clinically. Thus, I am still trying to figure out when it would be appropriate.

    My suspicion is that the videos only have limited effectiveness as a stand alone intervention (e.g, my parents are probably unlikely to change based on this 10 min video alone), but can be a helpful way to introduce someone to new concepts/ideas/research, and serve as a platform from which to routinely follow up/individualize the application.

    It really ought be incumbent upon us that before we discharge anyone, we do our best to see to it that they are regularly exercising. EVEN IF they seem not to have central sensitization/pain catastrophizing type presentation, we are doing our patients and the entire medical community a disservice not to push people to becoming active.

    in reply to: Timing of PT for non surgical MSK disorders #3502
    Nick Law
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    My take on the decrease use of health care expenditure with early PT and yet not necessarily superior outcomes: yes, our research could certainly be better, and if so may show an improved result. However, MOST cases of acute LBP have a predictable course of recovery, and that recovery timetable is perhaps only modestly improved by what we have to offer. A large proportion of what we are providing is EDUCATION/FEAR REDUCTION such that, though all patients must continue to go through the similar healing/recovery process, those who see PT’s have a greater understanding of that process and therefore are less vigilant about their condition/pursue less advanced imaging/meds/injections/etc…

    Don’t get me wrong, I DO think that early PT in many instances does indeed improve the patient outcome, however I think a lot of what we do through education is what results in the reduced health care utilization.

    in reply to: February Journal Club Case #3501
    Nick Law
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    Disregard the above post – got lost in all my tabs and posted in the wrong location!

    #residentidiot

    in reply to: February Journal Club Case #3500
    Nick Law
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    My take on the decrease use of health care expenditure with early PT and yet not necessarily superior outcomes: yes, our research could certainly be better, and if so may show an improved result. However, MOST cases of acute LBP have a predictable course of recovery, and that recovery timetable is perhaps only modestly improved by what we have to offer. A large proportion of what we are providing is EDUCATION/FEAR REDUCTION such that, though all patients must continue to go through the similar healing/recovery process, those who see PT’s have a greater understanding of that process and therefore are less vigilant about their condition/pursue less advanced imaging/meds/injections/etc…

    Don’t get me wrong, I DO think that early PT in many instances does indeed improve the patient outcome, however I think a lot of what we do through education is what results in the reduced health care utilization.

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