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  • in reply to: July Article Discussion #4005
    omikutin
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    Thanks Nick!

    EBP should help guide care but not necessarily dictate care. I love how this article places emphasis on integrating EBP and biopsychosocial factors. I don’t think there should be an “or” in the title; however, it grabbed my attention.

    One of the many things that I appreciate about our practice is that anatomy will always be anatomy. There will be anomalies but it’s up to PTs to see if that’s relevant to our patient’s impairments, participation, and/ or function. One of my ortho professors always said KNOW kinesiology and anatomy it doesn’t change but research does. I’m been in clinics where a PT quoted cx extension is bad due to increased osteophytes based on some research article he read years ago. I disagreed. There are also PTs who will only do exercises that research deemed highly appropriate even though the patient just can’t do. If a patient is given an exercise then asking the patient “where do you feel it” is important. Athletes have thrown me off a ton of times; they are the best compensators I know. It’s important to know anatomy, give appropriate exercises, and make sure the patient feels what we are targeting.

    Research gives us ideas and I think more clinics could benefit from it. It’s a balance! I’m not the biggest fan of meta-analyses because of the inconclusiveness. However, they do a great job of complying evidence. I don’t always look at the conclusion but the RTCs may have some good information.

    in reply to: July Journal Club Case #3984
    omikutin
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    My patient came in within a week of getting injured.

    I completely agree that return to play / competitive intense workouts are very different than return to marathon running. I choose this article because I wanted my patient to return as quick and pain free as possible. This article focus on making sure the athlete was not limited to pain during exercise. Pain was also one of my guidelines when prescribing and progressing exercises. Askling’s specific protocol focused on the entire hamstring which is why I appreciated it. I didn’t have my patient do the general exercise protocol because it wasn’t functional for him.

    There was no discoloration and his hamstring MMT was painful at his proximal hamstring. Does anyone know of a test that would be good for determining the tissue healing state? Prone knee flexion at 90 was painful and at 120 degrees was more painful. I should have tested it with IR and ER. Initially when my patient couldn’t do the single leg squat, I was a little worried which is why we stayed away from weight bearing exercises. Honestly, I thought 5 weeks and a marathon didn’t sound possible.

    Prognostic factors: We’ve learned that if the proximal hamstring tendon is involved the prognosis is much longer. Askling points out that his athletes took around 30-40 days longer to heal if the PHT was involved. As well, my patient has injured his hamstrings previously which is why he is more likely to get injured again. Does anyone else have anything to add on prognostic factors?

    Running: I recommend he be slightly more upright because I didn’t want there to be more tension on his hamstring with a forward trunk lean. Forward momentum is important but I didn’t want him to be too far forward. Any other thoughts?

    in reply to: July Journal Club Case #3983
    omikutin
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    Alex- I completely agree with getting as specific as possible. I also love the Gabbett article where it talks about training smarter not harder. I believe this is a GREAT communication tool. “Excessive and rapid increases in training loads are responsible for injuries”.

    I remember learning how tensile forces significantly help improve scar tissue formation. I mean if there isn’t tensile loading then I could only imagine how much adhesion and lack of mobility would be present. Laura explains this perfectly! Thankfully the proximal hamstring has a general linear fiber presentation which makes me like the “diver/glider” exercise much more.

    Neurodynamics- He tested negative on the SLUMP and SLR with an addition to distal mechanisms. My focus was not neurodynamic, but I believe monitoring those would me a good idea. Honestly, if we push the SLR/ SLUMP with all the distal factors, I will have symptoms. Granit- my patient would have slightly more of HIS symptoms with added ankle DF possibly due to lengthening the muscles, cervical flexion or trunk side bending did not change anything.

    Training- He did at least 6-8 sets of 100 meter sprints with rest breaks. Sean you bring up a great point about training and increasing his aerobic and anaerobic threshold. I don’t think anaerobic is as vital as aerobic but he might need it if he’s trying to pass someone during the last stretch. His goal was to run a marathon and get there at least under 5 hours. He agreed sprinting should not be his focus during this training.

    in reply to: July Journal Club Case #3973
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    Kristin- Great point on neurodynamics! Thanks for pointing that out! My apologies, I could have been better to distinguish the SLR. His active SLR of 60 may be due to his hamstring lengthening and therefore putting stress on the tissue and the higher the leg is raised the more proximal tissue is stretched. Now, I could have done a much better job with the SLR and added cervical flexion or ankle DF to further rule out a serious neurodynamic component.

    One of the exercises presented in this article works on flexibility as the patient does some sciatic glides (L-protocol). I can’t argue that muscle lengthening will not test the nerve but adding distal components (cx flexion, DF flexion) would point towards neuro.

    Sean- That’s exactly what I asked him. Why were you doing sprints? He said he was cross training (swimming and biking) at least 3x a week, running long distances at least twice per week, and doing sprint and hill intervals once per week. The day he got injured he ran a good distance and then decided to do sprint intervals. Which he said wasn’t a smart idea.

    He was never a runner but he decided he wanted to run a marathon in his hometown in Iowa and surprise his Mom. I talked to him about making sure he stayed away from sprints and hill workouts.

    in reply to: July Journal Club Case #3970
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    Laura- I completely agree with load load load for tendonopathy and strengthening for the strain injury. For the strain, I would also focus more on making sure we stay away from pain while the tendonopathy some pain might be ok.

    When it comes to diagnosing, I would try to focus on the MOI and when the injury happened. This will also hopefully guide me more towards prognosis.

    Alex- You would pick a German article :). Thanks for posting it! It sounds like Mueller doesn’t like the term “strain”, but they use “tear” instead. It might be difficult communicating that to a patient.

    I like your approach of using prolonged isometrics for irritable patients. This article brings up an interesting hypothesis about why the lengthening approach worked. “This limitation (C-protocol) at the long hamstring muscle lengths could lead to eccentric hamstring weakness and possibly hypertrophy of the short head of the bicep.” Have you ever noticed the short head working more compared to the long head when you did the prolonged isometrics? Or have you had good results and moved on (that would be neat if you noticed something)? I also COMPLETELY agree with addressing this issue with coaches!

    Nick- What are some things you’ve done that have been beneficial for your stretch type injury? My patient did not have pain day two therefore I introduced the lengthening protocol. I may have introduced a little too much, but we had a goal and no pain limitations.

    in reply to: July Journal Club Case #3961
    omikutin
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    Isn’t that article crazy!?! I saw that they started within 5 days of the initial onset. Do you think they started earlier due because the article was performed on elite athletes? My patient injured himself the weekend before and came in the following Tues or Wed. His second appointment was a week later (scheduling that worked best for him). He wasn’t limping the second visit. He was taking it “easy” and working on his current HEP. He also had no pain and therefore I proceeded with the lengthening program.

    You do bring up a good point on PHT vs. proximal hamstring strain. How would you approach them differently treatment wise?

    in reply to: July Journal Club Case #3958
    omikutin
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    My rational for the cue was what during running could possibly decreased the amount of strain on his hamstring. I didn’t say stand straight up, but decreased the amount of forward lean that he had. Staying away from training on hills or extra stress on his hamstring might be helpful. No matter what, he was going to run.. I chose the lesser of the evils.

    Running: in the beginning he was afraid of running, however I wanted to get him jogging early. Around the third day I had him jog with shorter strides. He was happy getting back to running. I had a walk:run balance starting with walking 3 min and jog 2 min and I progressed as necessary.

    Thanks for attaching an article! I love the rotation dumbbell exercises. I’m attaching another article that I found helpful.

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    in reply to: July Journal Club Case #3954
    omikutin
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    I emailed this article to my patient. He enjoyed the pictures!

    Another reason why I chose this article is because one of my colleagues told me she typically goes for a lengthening protocol. Her rational was “it uses more muscle fibers”. It made me further look into why and what type of lengthening protocols would be best.

    in reply to: Neurodynamics of Lumbar Radiculopathy #3936
    omikutin
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    Great case Laura!
    Why was your secondary hypotheses is a disc protrusion? Initially you said a fetal position was relieving. However, thoracic flexion did reproduce his pain. It is odd that a T4 CPA would reproduce the posterior/ lateral calf pain. Did his hypomobile L4/L5 reproduce his pain as well?

    Due to this patient’s response to increased neural tension I would stay away from putting tension in his neural system. He seems to have a positive response to gapping techniques. I see you did the SLR as a re-assessment, I would also retest myotomes, dermatomes, and reflexes before giving a prognoses for sensation return.

    Has he had any imaging done? I wonder why his symptoms started 6 weeks prior. Do you know if he increased his running and on what terrain? Have you tested his L5/S1 mobility and hip extension? A lack of hip extension might be a contributing factor on top of neural tension, hypomobilities, myotomal/ dermatomal limitations, and of course T4 syndrome.

    Since he has been to the chiropractor and a grade 5 was not beneficial, I would stay away from it in the beginning. He has had a great response to thoracic mobilizations, and I believe it might be beneficial down the road.

    How is his current right LE numbness and tingling sensation? I would love to recheck that post thoracic PA or have him walk up stairs.

    in reply to: June Journal Club Case #3887
    omikutin
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    Thanks for the case Sean.

    It’s tough when a surgeon states a patient needs surgery. I would first consider the fact of how much gain we’ve had in just one treatment. If the patient has 12 more visits left there could be much more gain that is if he continues to work through his exercises and stays away from aggravating factors.

    I would also exaggerate all the positive findings we had such as no irritation during his manual muscle testing. Yes, the patient does have a labral tear but because of his goals returning to ADLs and running, it’s highly likely conservative care is promising. Swimming may be more challenging but possible. Now, if the patient wanted to get back to competitive triathlons or extreme sports then we would have to consider other options. I would say PTs are very goal oriented and surgeons are very outcome orientated. Regardless of what I think, the patient is the one who makes the decision. I agree with Laura, sitting down and talking through the pros and cons.

    I found it interesting that age was the most reliable factor for predicting recurrent dislocations. I would have thought the activity level would have played a larger role. I also wonder why he has had chronic right shoulder dislocations?

    in reply to: May Discussion Post: Paradox of return to sport #3776
    omikutin
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    Aaron- That is fascinating!
    “However, much like many of the other Mulligan techniques (which sometimes work in an opposite way from what would mechanically make sense, such as a lateral tibial glide with knee flexion in WB), ROM into inversion, even with an ATFL injury does improve with the MWM technique in a posterior/superior direction.”

    Is it safe to assume that if someone in chronic we should get the joint moving even if mechanically it doesn’t make sense? Now if it’s acute- should I stay away from that concept? Sadly- me patient cancelled this week and hopefully I’ll see him next week. I have been working on talocrual mobility, I will definitely incorporate tib fib mobility!

    Kyle- Thank you for sharing this, I look forward to reading this!

    in reply to: May Journal Club Case #3770
    omikutin
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    Your articles point out neurodynamic mobilizations. Which particular neurodynamic technique did you have the most positive result?

    Education: I try to make an explanation as simple as possible. His irritation is L extension quadrant and I would show that motion on a skeleton and tell him how that irritates the nerve. I wouldn’t say anything about double crush because that sounds intimidating.

    After the Grade 3 R SL flexion PPIVM, did that improve his left extension quadrant? If so, I would use that as an educational tool saying we can make a difference and we want to find what specific exercises would be best to tailor his presentation. Since his symptoms improved I might transition to a femoral nerve glide and see how his system responds?

    I think evidence is great as it helps shape practice. I try to use it “judiciously”. If we see something that looks like it will help our patient then I say let’s try it. The case report you choose might help guide your treatment based on similar subjective and objective findings. I try not to disregard evidence if my patient does not fit all the inclusion or exclusion or if it’s expert opinion. There was very limited evidence for one of my patients with morton’s neuroma. He was not a success story and I worked hard working to address the impairments. I reviewed EBP, talked to my colleagues, listened to my patient (only wanted plantar soft tissue), and left his surgeon messages. I think it’s great to have some sort of resource to go to. I can’t fix everyone, but at least I tried and didn’t give up.

    in reply to: May Discussion Post: Paradox of return to sport #3769
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    Nick- Aaron please correct me if I’m wrong. It seems to me this tapping would be used if the issue is a synovium irritation. I’m sure I would not use this tape job for an irritated ATFL due to its origin and insertion. Why the fibula would be more anterior with CAI? Regardless, if I had a patient with an anterior distal fibular (impairment) then I would try to mob it. They might even also benefit from this tape job. As long as I communicate to take it off if it’s irritating or increasing symptoms.

    I have a love/ hate relationship with this article because it does raise many questions. What’s frustrating is that I do not have most answers, which is why I choose it. I’m trying to learn the difference between being conservative vs. getting patients back ASAP. That’s why I try to ask people with experience for advice. Does the ability to predict prognosis get better over time? I sure hope so!!

    in reply to: May Discussion Post: Paradox of return to sport #3760
    omikutin
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    Brilliant! I didn’t think about differentiating the synovium. I’ll check his tib-fib mobility this week. I was very focused on this being a “typical ankle sprain”, thank you for broadening my horizon! Do you have a picture of video of the taping technique?

    in reply to: May Discussion Post: Paradox of return to sport #3758
    omikutin
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    Reproduced symptom: end range inversion (passive) with over pressure and point tender to ATFL

    Mild Irritability: Pain comes on quickly if placed in passive end range inversion and quickly disappears after taking him out of that position.
    Mild- moderate Severity: 6/10 when placed in passive end-range inversion

    Special test: + anterior drawer for increased ligament laxity on the right, however it did not reproduce his symptoms.

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